Killer Mike and El-P from Run the Jewels break down their new album 'RTJ4'
Obviously the country is still in an uproar, but now that police officers in Minneapolis and elsewhere are being held accountable and people seem to be rethinking police departments, how do you think things are at the moment? From black people’s side, we’re still pretty f—ed-up, angry, mad, sad, disheartened, in a state of non-belief. On some level, change is starting to happen. Hope might build. We’re seeing more people who don’t look like us out there, marching in solidarity with us.
Now, I think that change is coming, but only if we keep the pressure applied. We just voted in the primaries yesterday in Georgia. Whoever is coming to power in November has to be held accountable for the next two-to-four years of fixes.
Okay, let’s talk about the album. The sound of “RTJ4” is hotter than the previous Run the Jewels albums — Jaime, as producer, what were you aiming for? Bingo. We look at these records in colors. The last one we dubbed our “blue record,” because there was a lot of emotional, forlorn music on there, dictated by how we felt at that time. I knew going into this that the palette I wanted to give to Mike and me to rap over — the thing I wanted to feel — was fire: red, orange, gold.
Certainly there’s something of a hive mind between you when it comes to the issues — what happens when you don’t agree, aesthetically or politically?Thematically, we’re pretty much together. We really like to smoke weed and make incredibly dope music. With that said, we feel obligated to say what our hearts are telling us when we care about something. We look at other perspectives and think as a whole, at least for me as a writer.
Being a black and white-hip hop act offers you a unique perspective to the concept of white privilege. Where do you stand on that — Mike?
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